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That’s nothing like the lyrics of Knocking At Your Back Door. It’s a clear parody of Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door. (Which was Bob Dylan, Screwball, GnR just covered it.)
Capoodle is more like just saying “Poo” which makes me think it’s more in the vein of “Backdoor” stuff. That’s why I think the hovertext has it backwards.
Also, calling it now, this comic will have the most refined and dignified comments of all DoA strips, with no silly words AT ALL.
*Lies. This comments section will be given over entirely to the kitten caboodle, the noodle, the capoodle, and all the noodle doodlin’ euphemisms we can bring to muster.
Man, I would not know what to do in Dorothy’s shoes. She’s sitting on a whole lot of information at this point, including Joyce’s sexual trauma, Ethan’s orientation, and Roz’s accusations, and while none of those seem like the kind of thing you can just blurt out (except maybe that last one), ignorance of them is not doing Becky any favors. Becky thinks she should feel guilty for getting rid of Ethan, when Becky would actually feel guilty for pushing Joyce toward sex if she knew the actual score. I hope Joyce and Becky can stay close– they’ve got the potential to be great for each other– but that’s not happening if Joyce keeps all her cards that close to her vest. And yet that has to be Joyce’s choice. And yet she’s sometimes REALLY bad at deciding what not to share. I’ll be interested to see how D handles it.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Becky will most likely be going away sometime relatively soon (in strip time anyways). Joyce still hasn’t called her mom back from what I can tell, and that conversation is going to blow this whole thing up.
Willis has said that we will probably never even see the spring semester.
Which is too bad; I would be looking forward to at least one strip making mention of the Little 500.
Well, technically she didn’t CONSENT, she just said that there’s no difference between Butt Stuff and Non-butt Stuff, as far as acceptability before marriage is concerned.
Well, sodomy used to be a crimein several states (until those laws were ruled unconstitutional). Granted, that was deliberately targeting gays, but they aren’t the only people who have anal sex.
Well, I think that most Christians would try to end the conversation very quickly if you started to talk about it, but I think there’s nothing specifically against it. Even Leviticus has no “thou shalt not take it up the arse” commandment.
Although Catholics and other Christian denominations that believe that “sex is for babies” would presumably be opposed to it in the same way that they oppose contraception, but don’t quote me on that. At the time of writing, I am not the pope.
Well… some people would like to think so in order to keep their conscience clear. I would argue that all in all Jesus honestly doesn’t give a damn if you’re noodlin’ someone’s capoodle (or caboodle for that matter) as long as you do two things: Love God, Love others. Done. But meh, I try and stay out of the personal lives of those around me unless they are intent on sharing.
A quote frequently attributed to Albert Einstein: “Nothing is infinite except the universe and human stupidity, except I sometimes have doubts about the universe.”
That’s a dangerous mistake to make. The moment you assume humanity is too smart to do a thing is the very moment fate begins the count down to your inevitable disappointment.
I’ve been in that state since the end of the Cold War. “Come on, how can we be smart enough to not screw up ‘bombs fall, everybody dies’ for fifty years but still stupid enough for this shit?”
If it helps, my brother once stated that he was so cynical, he believed that humanity was too selfish to commit nuclear holocaust because it would ruin the stuff we would want to take from everyone else.
That’s not cynicism, that’s basic human nature. A risk/reward equation that measures the value of your goal vs what you would have to pay to get it. I firmly believe that major wars would have continued in Europe and Asia after WWII if not for the risk/reward equation being so thoroughly slanted towards “everything dies”.
The flaw in my reasoning was that I took the fact that we managed to not reduce entire continents to rubble after the mess of world war II as a sign of growing human enlightenment rather than actually acknowledging human nature as it is. Nuclear armageddon has a very tangible result that we can easily wrap our minds around.
Issues like sexuality, race, religion, the consequences of these are much less immediately tangible, not to mention the consequences of not facing them don’t carry an immediate harmful effect on you. Fundamentally, it’s not hate that drives predjudice, it’s a refusal to change and a reaction to those who encourage it. Hate’s just a foul symptom.
Of course to a ten year old kid like me who never grew up with these problems in his face, next to the most powerful nations in the world hating each other but refusing to kill everything, judging a person based on the amount of melanin in their skin or how they spend their sundays or the like seemed so outlandishly ridiculous as to be inconceivable.
Steven Pinker talks about the nuclear peace hypothesis in _Better Angels_. I don’t remember the details, but expert thought can put a lot of doubt on the hypothesis. Certainly fear of nukes hasn’t made non-nuclear countries cower before Our Might. (Vietnam, Afghanistan…) There’s other candidate reasons, like industrial cities being more valuable as trading partners than as conquests, or having two world wars in a row being a freak incident rather than normal.
Well deterrence isn’t about completely preventing all war. It’s supposed to be a moderator to prevent major war. So, war in Korea, but not a major war and nuclear strike against China (MacArther didn’t seem to get it). It may even have an opposite effect on a smaller scale like Vietnam. They know we dare not use the full force of our power for fear of it spreading.
Also, given the major wars being waged by Europeans for centuries it’s hard to imagine the World Wars as a freak incident. From the Spanish Armada to the seven years war to Napoleon, Warfare was practically a national pastime in Europe until the end of World War II. The only real difference in the world wars was superior technology.
Though regardless we can’t know for certain how the world would have turned out without nukes.
Besides, the two “World Wars” weren’t in a row. Twenty-one years officially passed between them, the latter half of that period being the Great Depression.
Meh, my real point is that there’s professional literature on the decline of modern warfare and such, and it’s more complicated than you’re describing, and you can look into _Better Angels_’s war chapters for a starter and references if you want to know more.
Gotta love Dorothy, she’s the only adult at the table, as far as speaking English goes anyway.
Joyce is clearly not happy, those arms couldn’t get any tighter crossed than they are at this point. And wow, Becky realized she stuck her nose in where it wasn’t wanted by harrassin Ethan.
Dorothy knows why Joyce and Ethan “doomed” I think. But not saying till she knows if Becky knows which seems unlikely based on her reaction.
No, that leads to unconditional protectiveness, which leads to unconditional fear, which leads to unconditional anger, which leads to unconditional hatred, which unconditionally leads to the dark side.
Hell no, love of any kind I actively frowned upon at best. No strong emotion is encouraged, only when at peace, when balanced, do you hear the way of the Force. Emotions all lead to the dark side, that’s why they didn’t want to take in older recruits, they already had emotional attachments that could corrupt them.
It can’t mean what it seems to mean in that context…Joyce can barely think about doing it missionary style, approach the back door and you’d have to chase her through town to catch her.
How do we know she can barely contemplate sex? I mean, there’s the Ryan trauma, but she DID spent a large chunk of at least one night looking at digital dicks.
No, the night after her talk with Amazi-girl, after she and Amber clean off the whiteboard dingdongs, Joyce is in bed looking computer and biting her lip happily.
Still kinda frustrated with Becky’s behavior (understandable behavior, it just clashes a lot with what i particularly want in my friends, i guess?) but god she is always great for funny dialogue. I appreciate that, Becky.
I can’t believe no one else has made this joke but… with all the previous talk of strap-ons and the whole Ethan is GAY thing… some caboodle noodlin’ coulda been happening between them… just THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Nope. Being gay is not the same thing as liking anal, from either side. Ethan didn’t even get pleasure from touching Joyce, sex, no matter what acts, is clearly off the table. There’s more to orientation than what holes you have and what you want to put in them.
Sincerely, a straight dude who likes receiving.
Becky has more reason than Joyce to have a relaxed perception of doctrine. She’s already convinced herself that her loving God wouldn’t actually condemn her for who she is. It’s a short step from there to “He’s probably actually okay with fucking too.”
The concept of God in Abrahamic religions is the one omniscient, omnipotent & omnipresent deity that oversees all other aspects of existence & nonexistence. This means it’s constantly tuned in, processing every happening across not only our planet, but the universe & a few others.
The Pre-Marital Hanky Panky is just an abstract created by humans for the gamble of being better tuned towards the station for conversing with this entity. But it’s still a gamble. Unless that system relied upon sentient beings coinciding with such an idea of piety & chastity to give off a particular metaphysical wavelength, it would function normally.
Now, all that aside, while I might love me my hedonism & straightforward brashness in my own life, I hope to Jaysus (Irish accent version of Jesus) that I don’t get confused as a male Becky, which is basically Joe/Walky. Over the past while for myself and in the course of this comic arc, there’s a lot of issues amongst these friends that they’re leaving unsaid when they have to converse with Becky, because so far she hasn’t shown the grace amongst the group to do better than steamroll ahead with any concept or information that comes her way, laying it out flat & blunt for social scrutiny, as well as her own attention.
Methinks there may be a boiling point coming up, & she’s set to smash the kettle that contains it. I just haven’t figured out the name of the kettle yet.
Also, as others have pointed out above, there are some Christians out there who think “anal doesn’t count” because it’s not explicitly forbidden in the Bible.
what do they think sodomy is, then?
or that God smote Gomorrah just on general principles and/or the “hey, send out your guests so we can r*pe ’em” thing?
Essentially, yes. The argument goes that you can’t know what they Sodomites meant when they said ‘Send them out so that we might know them’ (though Lot’s offering up of his daughters instead makes it pretty obvious), and that the punishment was for the clear attempted infringement of the laws of hospitality, rather than the specific form that infringement was meant to take.
I once read a comic book Bible that had a lovely version of the story. It was very confusing what the Sodomites did wrong, seeing as they were just knocking on the door wanting to meet these people.
By which I mean *sometimes* the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe smites your town and kills you and everyone you know and condemns you to eternal suffering and *sometimes* a big Scottish clan declares undying enmity on your clan… either way, it doesn’t end well.
And then you’ve got fairy tales, where failing to be properly hospitable can get you either turned into a monstrosity or spit out toads with every word you speak.
I also seem to recall Zeus and Hermes flooding a valley and turning everyone else into fish so that the one nice couple would always eat well.
(I’m not sure I’d be able to bring myself to; and I like fish – but not ones that used to be my neighbors.)
A priest once told a guy I know that sodomy was ok for the DUDE, but still a sin for the woman (it was in the context of this guy and his girlfriend) because God never said buggery was bad. So it was only the receiver God frowned on. However, everyone was ok with oral (although it was probably gateway sex). This was in confession. I suspect it might not be Church doctrine though. As I pointed out, he did go to a Christian Brothers school…
I’ve always heard the expression ‘Canoodlilng’ meaning the doing the Horizontal Bop. Caboodle and Capoodle are new ones to me. So I guess canoodiling the capoodle, then the caboodle would result in a Slipshine, or just getting slippery?
This is actually a pretty great way for Dorothy and Walky to learn that Joyce and Ethan broke up. No sitting her down for a Serious Talk, just an awkward, coded admission over dinner. That works.
Becky, for all her indelicacies, actually seems scared of screwing up Joyce’s life by shooting her mouth off. Good on her. Just for fun, compare the contexts of “Aw, jeez” in this strip and an earlier one .
Also, what is that in Joyce’s hand in panel 1? Is it pickled ginger, or was she actually about to humor Dorothy and try some frickin’ sashimi before Becky brought up Ethan? In either case, she’s using her fingers. The battle of the chopsticks is over.
I think it’s debatable. But more importantly – where does it go? It’s not in anyone’s hand in panel 5. Is one of them doing the deep and meaningful with a mouthful of sushi? Because that’d be terrible.
I’d say it’s salmon nigiri — possibly sashimi — in Becky’s left hand. She probably eats it in panels 3 and 4. Previous strips have had her chewing food she’d clearly used her hand to put in her mouth.
Amusingly the salmon matches her shirt.
Nice that Becky thinks she was trying to encourage Ethan, though he clearly didn’t get the message. I don’t think most of us did, either.
I’m actually wondering if this is how Becky reconciles her religion and her sexuality. Premarital hanky-panky’s a sin, but it’s not really hanky-panky unless a dude’s noodle is going into a chick’s capoodle, so nothing she does with another chick is against the rules?
Finally, someone else who notices this. I know that Joyce is autobiographical, though, so man, I feel for her, and I am retrospectively pissed off at whoever Willis’s IRL Becky is. She hasn’t even ASKED how Joyce is doing since they last saw each other, or what’s been going on in her life.
There you have it, Becky. No premartial Caboodling. Giblets are fair game though. The jury is still out on Boffing.
Wow, Joyce. That’s excellent. You told them about the breakup without complicating it and without outing Ethan.
I love Dorothy in panel 4. Inner monologue: “I have to talk to Joyce about the problematic aspects of dating a gay man… oh, they broke up. Mental gear shift in 3, 2, 1… Huh, are we talking about vaginas now?
Oh, Becky. It finally starts to register that rad as you are, you can be seen as rude rather than sassy. Just pay a bit more attention to peoples reactions and you’ll be fine. That was an awful quick change of topic to boyfriends from Joyce-eating-Dorothy’s-Sushi. Still holding out hope she might be into Caboodles after all?
Aha – so Becky was trying to HELP with the “you’re fired” line, rather than cause problems. That’s still, well, not good since it was still “HOW DARE YOU NOT HAVE SEX WHEN I THINK YOU SHOULD” but the fact she didn’t realise, and is upset to realise, that it would cause problems means there might be hope here.
(Then I remember I’m reading a Willis comic. She’s going to end up at daggers drawn with Joyce until she dies saving early hominids.)
“When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle’s on a poodle and the poodle’s eating noodles …
“… they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle. AND …”
WHAT THE SHIT, if the caPoodle is the vagina then logically the caBoodle would be the butt.
Did Becky just say she nudged Ethan into entering through the backdoor? Or better yet, the caboodle is the mouth…
I’m not convinced that Joyce even know the difference between a capoodle and a caboodle or any other body part “down there.” Wasn’t she just recently fantasizing about having Ethan rub his “thing” on her “tummy”? We need 3D paper dolls to chart this one out. “And then tab D goes into slot V…”
I always thought caboodle noodling was the one thing God was OK with outside the confines of marriage! Or at least that’s what my super-Christian high school friend said, anyway.
Becky is getting super annoying with her new attitude. If I was Dorothy, I wouldn’t be putting up with her calling me ‘Dotty’, especially when I’m paying for her meal!
I really enjoy the comic, but it would be so much better if the characters didn’t talk like it was the 1950’s. Becky calling Dorothy “Dotty” comes across sounding incredibly dated, as do words like “caboodle” and “hanky panky”. It might be more believable that these kids were in college if they actually spoke like college-aged kids. Just some constructive criticism.
It’s really only Becky and Joyce that talk like that, and while that isn’t how people normally talk, I think that’s how they’ve been taught to talk by their parents (and their parents have been able to be more overbearing by virtue of the homeschooling), and their parents probably aren’t hip to slang past the 70’s. It’s believable as long as they are the only two using slang like that.
I mean, did you miss the fact that Joyce was sheltered and homeschooled? And homeschooled in the not interacting with people outside of your bubble for your own good version of homeschooled.
That’s kind of been… the ENTIRE point of this whole comic.
You would be correct in asserting that it’s intentionally meant to reflect Joyce and her upbringing if DOA was the only comic David Willis had ever made. However, I’ve been reading his comics for a decade now and many of his characters have always spoken this way. I think it’s more reflective of Willis and his upbringing than anything else, and that’s fine, a writer is naturally going to pull from their own experiences. I just feel that the comic would be improved if the characters walk of speaking reflected their age better.
Oh, God, I know this is a webcomic and I enjoy it a LOT, seeing as I am in college myself, and this resonates with me so much that it’s scary, but….
THERE’S A TANGENT BETWEEN PANEL FOUR AND FIVE WITH DOROTHY’S HAIR AND IT IS BUGGING THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!!
*Huh!* *Huh!* Okay, I feel a WHOLE lot better now! Sorry, Mr. Willis, but being a Comics Major means having to learn the technical aspects of making comics and because of that, I don’t look at comics the same way anymore…AND IT IS VERY ANNOYING WHEN I FIND STUFF LIKE THAT! Lol, again, sorry, I just had to get that out of my system. I sound like such a slob.
I don’t think Joyce and Becky are using “noodlin'” to indicate sex, but to indicate feeling someone up. So by caboodle-noodlin’, they don’t mean anal sex; they mean ass-grabbing.
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Noodlin Caboodles,
The New Hanky Panky? Time will Tell…
Also, I think the Hover Text may have it backwards…
Hovertext is obviously talking about buttsex. If the Capoodle is the vagina the Caboodle the the anal cavity.
Knock knock knocking on the back doo-ooor…
(Ooooo-oooohhh yeah yeah)
Knock knock knocking on the back door…
Wonder if Guns & roses ever thought that song would be used like this? Yeah, it’s pretty obvious, even to an alien like me…
you have made me very very sad…
Umm, that’s Deep Purple, and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what Blackmore et al. had in mind. Check out the rest of the lyrics.
That’s nothing like the lyrics of Knocking At Your Back Door. It’s a clear parody of Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door. (Which was Bob Dylan, Screwball, GnR just covered it.)
Zevon cover best cover.
Hell yes.
The “anal cavity” is known as the rectum!
Rectum? You nearly Killed’um!!
The caboodle’s the caboose!
Aren’t you paying attention? Noodlin CAPOODLES is the new hanky panky
Nah, they say Caboodles the first three times.
Capoodle is more like just saying “Poo” which makes me think it’s more in the vein of “Backdoor” stuff. That’s why I think the hovertext has it backwards.
Also, calling it now, this comic will have the most refined and dignified comments of all DoA strips, with no silly words AT ALL.
Becky straight up says that the vagina is the capoodle. Ergo: Noodling capoodles: hanky panky. Noodling caboodles: butt stuff.
Or, alternatively, Becky’s understanding of female anatomy is so sheltered that she thinks vagina is another word for anus.
Alternatively Becky’s gay[guy]dar is better than she’ll ever know
Was it Becky who said that? The speech bubble seemed to be pointing at Walky. He’s still at the table!
And of Course, I re-read it and apparently missed the word “The” in the final panel.
Everyone ignore me, I am a Caboodle-head.
*Lies. This comments section will be given over entirely to the kitten caboodle, the noodle, the capoodle, and all the noodle doodlin’ euphemisms we can bring to muster.
Naw, it’s definitely the “poodle” part of the word you’re meant to focus on.
Definitely either a copu-dle or a cup-poodle
Caboodle = caboose = butt
Capoodle might be derived from “poon” or “pussy.” Personally, I’m way more comfortable just saying vagina, but some folk are weird or sheltered.
Caboodle=booty… Capoodle=pu**y… That is all…
I’m glad you made this comment – I was about to make it myself if I couldn’t find it.
When a system is involved, it’s the differences that distinguish things. We need to focus more on p and b, and less on poodles and boodles.
Pre-marital hanky panky!
I have it on good authority that the caboodle doesn’t count as long as you stay away from the capoodle and the, umm… clididdle?
And also as long as you’re straight. There’s a song that explains the whole thing.
Would you be talking about the one by Garfunkel and Oates?
All my life, I’ve been good.
Do what my Mom and Dad and God say I should.
Go to church and Bible school
To live by God’s rule
Yes. If I had only been three minutes faster I would have posted before someone else posted the link.
I posted it below.
In this house, we speak the King’s diddly
I clididdly-diddly-don’t know what you mean!
[/flanders]
What’s ‘Doodling’ then?
That’s when you draw dicks on everything.
Thats acceptable outside the confides of marriage as demonstrated by Joyce
But inside the confines of marriage…watch out cause it’s kink city.
The amazi-girl gravitar made this comment ten times more awesome.
You realize comments like these look silly in the archives, when everyone’s gravatars have changed? Jus sayin.
Well the people reading comments in the archives will just have to deal with feeling left out, then!
+1 !
Little did we know, Flanders was secretly saying dick and vagina as every other word.
Darn-diddly tootin’?
Fine and dandy like sour candy?…
I just heard it in his voice! D: “Ehehehehe… Well, darn diddly tootin’!”
Excellent decision Dorothy.
Man, I would not know what to do in Dorothy’s shoes. She’s sitting on a whole lot of information at this point, including Joyce’s sexual trauma, Ethan’s orientation, and Roz’s accusations, and while none of those seem like the kind of thing you can just blurt out (except maybe that last one), ignorance of them is not doing Becky any favors. Becky thinks she should feel guilty for getting rid of Ethan, when Becky would actually feel guilty for pushing Joyce toward sex if she knew the actual score. I hope Joyce and Becky can stay close– they’ve got the potential to be great for each other– but that’s not happening if Joyce keeps all her cards that close to her vest. And yet that has to be Joyce’s choice. And yet she’s sometimes REALLY bad at deciding what not to share. I’ll be interested to see how D handles it.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Becky will most likely be going away sometime relatively soon (in strip time anyways). Joyce still hasn’t called her mom back from what I can tell, and that conversation is going to blow this whole thing up.
Becky’s not leaving. Everyone else is leaving. Becky is staying.
So last strip will be Becky saying goodbye to the departing graduates? That could be a good and hopeful thing.
Or it will be Becky slaying spiders with a katana.
Willis has said that we will probably never even see the spring semester.
Which is too bad; I would be looking forward to at least one strip making mention of the Little 500.
Dumbing of Age in 2020: Becky wandering the empty halls of an otherwise abandoned Indiana University.
Drawn Romantically Apocalyptic style.
Becky is Zee Captain. This explains to much.
ANAL!!!
Premarital caboodle-noodlin’!!!
“Arnal” “WHO THE FRAK JERKED OFF IN MY COFFEE!”
I know where you get that gravatar… Nice!!!!
BUTTPUNCHING!!!
“Just the knuckles touched… So, not gay.”
…so Becky wants Ethan to do Joyce in the ass? Wouldn’t have guessed that was what she was into but color me educated.
Well, at least bite her there, apparently. Ahh, the joys of living vicariously through others.
Butt stuff keeps you pure for marriage, dontcha know?
And it’s fun for both boys and girls
It’s the sex that god can’t see.
She want’s Joyce to feel the sweet sensation of a rockhard rationalization.
Relevant to your interests, Yotomoe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
I love me some Garfunkel and Oates.
Well that was different…
“Think outside the box”
I see what they did there
God sees everything!
But I think he looks away awkwardly sometimes.
“Oh, Me, I can’t bear to watch you, Oedipus!”
Becky will help out everyone to get into noodlin’ the caboodle. Dorothy and Walky are next.
Being les, Becky would probably prefer diddlin’ the capoodle, if you know what I mean and I think you do.
Now that I think about it, Becky might have an ulterior motive. She just wants to make sure Joyce’s capoodle is left intact.
I don’t think it’s ulterior at all.
It’s just a joke.
I think she has posterior motives.
…Even with not using the words, I’m surprised at how easily Joyce is talking about caboodle noodlin’. Especially with Walky there.
What, no mention of the cadoodle?
Of course not. The discussion is about what the man should do to Joyce, not what Joyce should do to the man.
Going from anal to beastiality is a hell of a jump.
I’m against ruff sex after all.
I probably should’ve avoided making that assumption, then.
Keep that up & you might end up in the dog house with Mr Willis…
Willis is in the dog-house? What did he do?
Walky’s just here for the show
His balls are like Christmas lights, only there for decoration…
dickoration, if you will.
And he’s welcome to do so as long as he doesn’t cock it up and ruin things somehow.
That deserves loads of LIKES!
aaand i think thats a sign that i’m done for the night.
good night everybody.
So does that make Joyce the Grinch?
Dorothy knows that. She just feels that the caboodle is boring compared to the capoodle
Bajingo’s also a nice alternative.
I’m more of a “taco” kind of guy. That way I can refer to oral as having a Taco or Taco tuesday and it doesn’t seem as obscene.
Man, this gives a whole new meaning to the lego movie…
No.. not … not again… EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!! . . . Damn you… EVERYTHING IS GREAT WHEN YOU’RE PART OF A TEAM! *Screams internally*
Just remember, BATMAN!
Is a total dick.
Heh heh heh, I might be good at mindgames, but I enjoy watching Daniel the Human do them. to other people, that is…
And then… I spray them with the taco!
We all remember what Joyce did with her taco at lunchtime a few weeks back, don’t we?
Joyce is into autovivisection?
Capoodle in the front, caboodle in the back.
Senpai in the streets, Hentai in the sheets.
Laaaaaaaaaaaaadies.
woots!
*Takes notes*
The pussy is the Kitten’s Caboodle.
So how does the cat in the cradle fit with that?
Don’t forget the silver spoon…
And wasn’t there some talk of a man in the moon?
This thread has suddenly made the next part of the lyrics really uncomfortable. O_o
So, essentially, Joyce just consented to butt sex, so long as it’s after marriage. Didn’t think that’d be her thing.
God’s loophole.
There’s a secret set of commandments regarding butt sex?
Or fine print.
Well, technically she didn’t CONSENT, she just said that there’s no difference between Butt Stuff and Non-butt Stuff, as far as acceptability before marriage is concerned.
Does mainstream Christianity generally have a problem with butt sex between consenting married opposite sex adults?
Well, sodomy used to be a crimein several states (until those laws were ruled unconstitutional). Granted, that was deliberately targeting gays, but they aren’t the only people who have anal sex.
Well, I think that most Christians would try to end the conversation very quickly if you started to talk about it, but I think there’s nothing specifically against it. Even Leviticus has no “thou shalt not take it up the arse” commandment.
Although Catholics and other Christian denominations that believe that “sex is for babies” would presumably be opposed to it in the same way that they oppose contraception, but don’t quote me on that. At the time of writing, I am not the pope.
David Muir on ABC says the Pope thinks he’s only got four or five years left. So maybe you’ll have your shot…
I feel like this belongs here. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
Anal is AOK with Jesus? OH MY indeed!
Well… some people would like to think so in order to keep their conscience clear. I would argue that all in all Jesus honestly doesn’t give a damn if you’re noodlin’ someone’s capoodle (or caboodle for that matter) as long as you do two things: Love God, Love others. Done. But meh, I try and stay out of the personal lives of those around me unless they are intent on sharing.
I honestly thought this was an insultingly reactionary song based on an internet rumor until I met someone who insisted anal really didn’t count.
I have a blind spot for these things because I frequently don’t realize how maliciously stupid people can actually get.
Right?
Yeah. As Daniel the Human says, “Never underestimate the power of Human stupidity…”
I may be Cybertronian, but after some of the stuff I’ve seen, I think I agree…
A quote frequently attributed to Albert Einstein: “Nothing is infinite except the universe and human stupidity, except I sometimes have doubts about the universe.”
That’s a dangerous mistake to make. The moment you assume humanity is too smart to do a thing is the very moment fate begins the count down to your inevitable disappointment.
I’ve been in that state since the end of the Cold War. “Come on, how can we be smart enough to not screw up ‘bombs fall, everybody dies’ for fifty years but still stupid enough for this shit?”
If it helps, my brother once stated that he was so cynical, he believed that humanity was too selfish to commit nuclear holocaust because it would ruin the stuff we would want to take from everyone else.
That probably didn’t help. I am sorry.
Are you kidding? Assuming people will even think ahead that far is the most optimistic thing I’ve heard all week…
That’s not cynicism, that’s basic human nature. A risk/reward equation that measures the value of your goal vs what you would have to pay to get it. I firmly believe that major wars would have continued in Europe and Asia after WWII if not for the risk/reward equation being so thoroughly slanted towards “everything dies”.
The flaw in my reasoning was that I took the fact that we managed to not reduce entire continents to rubble after the mess of world war II as a sign of growing human enlightenment rather than actually acknowledging human nature as it is. Nuclear armageddon has a very tangible result that we can easily wrap our minds around.
Issues like sexuality, race, religion, the consequences of these are much less immediately tangible, not to mention the consequences of not facing them don’t carry an immediate harmful effect on you. Fundamentally, it’s not hate that drives predjudice, it’s a refusal to change and a reaction to those who encourage it. Hate’s just a foul symptom.
Of course to a ten year old kid like me who never grew up with these problems in his face, next to the most powerful nations in the world hating each other but refusing to kill everything, judging a person based on the amount of melanin in their skin or how they spend their sundays or the like seemed so outlandishly ridiculous as to be inconceivable.
Steven Pinker talks about the nuclear peace hypothesis in _Better Angels_. I don’t remember the details, but expert thought can put a lot of doubt on the hypothesis. Certainly fear of nukes hasn’t made non-nuclear countries cower before Our Might. (Vietnam, Afghanistan…) There’s other candidate reasons, like industrial cities being more valuable as trading partners than as conquests, or having two world wars in a row being a freak incident rather than normal.
Well deterrence isn’t about completely preventing all war. It’s supposed to be a moderator to prevent major war. So, war in Korea, but not a major war and nuclear strike against China (MacArther didn’t seem to get it). It may even have an opposite effect on a smaller scale like Vietnam. They know we dare not use the full force of our power for fear of it spreading.
Also, given the major wars being waged by Europeans for centuries it’s hard to imagine the World Wars as a freak incident. From the Spanish Armada to the seven years war to Napoleon, Warfare was practically a national pastime in Europe until the end of World War II. The only real difference in the world wars was superior technology.
Though regardless we can’t know for certain how the world would have turned out without nukes.
Besides, the two “World Wars” weren’t in a row. Twenty-one years officially passed between them, the latter half of that period being the Great Depression.
Meh, my real point is that there’s professional literature on the decline of modern warfare and such, and it’s more complicated than you’re describing, and you can look into _Better Angels_’s war chapters for a starter and references if you want to know more.
It always is more complicated. It’s a complicated world.
It’s called “Saddlebacking”, and it’s weirdly common.
I know I recognize the girl with the black hair…but I can’t remember who she is! :,(
She is an actress. Played Raj’s girlfriend in Big Bang Theory if I’m not mistaken.
Oh yeah she was on that. I was thinking of something else though…but now I’ve got enough info to google her so thanks.
Turns out I had her confused with the chick from Portlandia >.>
If you didn’t know any better when you read down the comment section, you would swear that Willis must have modified all the swear words into *oodles.
Now I want that to actually be the case…
Is bongoes still censored?
Yes. Yes it is. Magnificent.
Gotta love Dorothy, she’s the only adult at the table, as far as speaking English goes anyway.
Joyce is clearly not happy, those arms couldn’t get any tighter crossed than they are at this point. And wow, Becky realized she stuck her nose in where it wasn’t wanted by harrassin Ethan.
Dorothy knows why Joyce and Ethan “doomed” I think. But not saying till she knows if Becky knows which seems unlikely based on her reaction.
I’m pretty sure she already realized it and didn’t realize he’d taken her that seriously (from her perspective of this conversation).
Dorothy realized it a while ago, like when Walky blurted it out, and probably just doesn’t want to make Joyce feel worse about it, or what have you?
Dorothy makes some excellent faces in this strip.
Her body language shows a lot of concern.
I think Becky is finally coming off her “out of closet” high and starting to show some good-natured emotions.
Emotions are over rated. They make me feel sad and that makes me angry.
And how does anger make you feel? Hungry?
Remember that anger leads to hatred, and hatred leads to suffering. The path to the dark side it is.
Technically, every emotion is a path to the dark side.
Oh? I thought unconditional love was encouraged.
No, that leads to unconditional protectiveness, which leads to unconditional fear, which leads to unconditional anger, which leads to unconditional hatred, which unconditionally leads to the dark side.
Hell no, love of any kind I actively frowned upon at best. No strong emotion is encouraged, only when at peace, when balanced, do you hear the way of the Force. Emotions all lead to the dark side, that’s why they didn’t want to take in older recruits, they already had emotional attachments that could corrupt them.
Come to the Dark Side, we got cookies…
…No, wait, someone’s just eaten them all, just to be evil…
Still got lots of dark chocolate and espresso…
Realizing the error of her hasty ways, one consequence at a time.
There’s nothing wrong when you’re noodlin’ the caboodle all night long!!!
Actually there can be many things wrong. Some of which, at minimum, make for very awkward emergency room visits.
Now you’re using your noodle – for sexy times!
It can’t mean what it seems to mean in that context…Joyce can barely think about doing it missionary style, approach the back door and you’d have to chase her through town to catch her.
Well I’m pretty sure that Joyce THOUGHT when becky said caboodle noodlin’, she meant caPOOdle noodlin’
There are some fundies who think that caboodle noodlon’ doesn’t count.
Somehow, I doubt Joyce is one of them, given just how uncomfortable she is about sex in general.
How do we know she can barely contemplate sex? I mean, there’s the Ryan trauma, but she DID spent a large chunk of at least one night looking at digital dicks.
In a panic and ultimately leading to a break down in front of Amazi-Girl.
No, the night after her talk with Amazi-girl, after she and Amber clean off the whiteboard dingdongs, Joyce is in bed looking computer and biting her lip happily.
And you think she was looking at dongs?
Explains why “Kit” is slang for underwear in some countries.
*vague joke referencing “The whole Kit and Caboodle”*
Drat, beat me to it.
I’m on fire tonight! No one can stop me! No… literally… I’m on fire… SOMEONE PUT ME OUT!
You have the power of the Tardis and the Green Lantern. You’ve got this.
*Gets marshmallows*
What? If you can’t put it out, may as well put it to good use…
So Knight Rider was all about David Hasselhoff in panties.
But NOBODY uses the word va..vaginfluh…that word…
Maude Lebowski can take it from here.
Excellent rule, Dorothy.
Becky’s got a lot of deprogramming to do still, too, it’d seem.
I have been reading these comments too long and now anything ending in “Oodle” just starts to sound like nonsense.
… I mean MORE like nonsense.
Oodles of nonsense!
Say Vagina so we can move on, for fucks sake’s
>For fucks’ sakes
Precisely.
Win.
Say what you will about Becky, at least she has ridiculous words.
It’s a whole other dialect, Beckinese.
Capoodle…. Well that’s a new word for me.
Maybe now Becky can see the power of her words but if only she could learn to talk better
If that’s Joyce’s caboodle, what’s her kit?
Aaaaaand that was a totally redundant comment. Of course it was.
Time for some crazy capoodle on capoodle action!
Daisy will be pleased to hear it.
And frustrated that she wasn’t involved.
Wait, Becky wanted Joyce and Ethan to do some saddlebacking? Wow.
Or at least acknowledge that Joyce might enjoy a little physical intimacy.
God luck with that Dorothy….
Still kinda frustrated with Becky’s behavior (understandable behavior, it just clashes a lot with what i particularly want in my friends, i guess?) but god she is always great for funny dialogue. I appreciate that, Becky.
I can’t believe no one else has made this joke but… with all the previous talk of strap-ons and the whole Ethan is GAY thing… some caboodle noodlin’ coulda been happening between them… just THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Ethan is into Ca-dude-le
I’m guessing it turns out better than that one episode of Broad City?
Nope. Being gay is not the same thing as liking anal, from either side. Ethan didn’t even get pleasure from touching Joyce, sex, no matter what acts, is clearly off the table. There’s more to orientation than what holes you have and what you want to put in them.
Sincerely, a straight dude who likes receiving.
LMAO
I think you mean LMCO. Clearly.
So is Becky still on team Jesus? Even if God is okay with lesbians now, would he be okay with premarital hanky-panky?
Becky has more reason than Joyce to have a relaxed perception of doctrine. She’s already convinced herself that her loving God wouldn’t actually condemn her for who she is. It’s a short step from there to “He’s probably actually okay with fucking too.”
The concept of God in Abrahamic religions is the one omniscient, omnipotent & omnipresent deity that oversees all other aspects of existence & nonexistence. This means it’s constantly tuned in, processing every happening across not only our planet, but the universe & a few others.
The Pre-Marital Hanky Panky is just an abstract created by humans for the gamble of being better tuned towards the station for conversing with this entity. But it’s still a gamble. Unless that system relied upon sentient beings coinciding with such an idea of piety & chastity to give off a particular metaphysical wavelength, it would function normally.
Now, all that aside, while I might love me my hedonism & straightforward brashness in my own life, I hope to Jaysus (Irish accent version of Jesus) that I don’t get confused as a male Becky, which is basically Joe/Walky. Over the past while for myself and in the course of this comic arc, there’s a lot of issues amongst these friends that they’re leaving unsaid when they have to converse with Becky, because so far she hasn’t shown the grace amongst the group to do better than steamroll ahead with any concept or information that comes her way, laying it out flat & blunt for social scrutiny, as well as her own attention.
Methinks there may be a boiling point coming up, & she’s set to smash the kettle that contains it. I just haven’t figured out the name of the kettle yet.
Also, as others have pointed out above, there are some Christians out there who think “anal doesn’t count” because it’s not explicitly forbidden in the Bible.
what do they think sodomy is, then?
or that God smote Gomorrah just on general principles and/or the “hey, send out your guests so we can r*pe ’em” thing?
Essentially, yes. The argument goes that you can’t know what they Sodomites meant when they said ‘Send them out so that we might know them’ (though Lot’s offering up of his daughters instead makes it pretty obvious), and that the punishment was for the clear attempted infringement of the laws of hospitality, rather than the specific form that infringement was meant to take.
I once read a comic book Bible that had a lovely version of the story. It was very confusing what the Sodomites did wrong, seeing as they were just knocking on the door wanting to meet these people.
Talking to strangers is a sin, kids!
Yeah, don’t mess with hospitality customs in pre-modern societies. Just don’t. It never ends well.
By which I mean *sometimes* the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe smites your town and kills you and everyone you know and condemns you to eternal suffering and *sometimes* a big Scottish clan declares undying enmity on your clan… either way, it doesn’t end well.
And then you’ve got fairy tales, where failing to be properly hospitable can get you either turned into a monstrosity or spit out toads with every word you speak.
I also seem to recall Zeus and Hermes flooding a valley and turning everyone else into fish so that the one nice couple would always eat well.
(I’m not sure I’d be able to bring myself to; and I like fish – but not ones that used to be my neighbors.)
And of course there’s 71-Hour Ahmed…
*sad sigh*
RIP Sir Pterry.
A priest once told a guy I know that sodomy was ok for the DUDE, but still a sin for the woman (it was in the context of this guy and his girlfriend) because God never said buggery was bad. So it was only the receiver God frowned on. However, everyone was ok with oral (although it was probably gateway sex). This was in confession. I suspect it might not be Church doctrine though. As I pointed out, he did go to a Christian Brothers school…
I’ve always heard the expression ‘Canoodlilng’ meaning the doing the Horizontal Bop. Caboodle and Capoodle are new ones to me. So I guess canoodiling the capoodle, then the caboodle would result in a Slipshine, or just getting slippery?
Canoodling is essentially foreplay that is just for play’s sake. The deed remains undone…
I think this applies here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMdhWRO4-dQ
Dorthey should probs start hanging with Sarah more as surround sound christian self censorship would become real old real fast irl.
Dolby Digital nonsense would get kinda old, yes.
Never use nouns like “noodle” improperly when eating Asian cuisine. Seriously. Stop it.
This is actually a pretty great way for Dorothy and Walky to learn that Joyce and Ethan broke up. No sitting her down for a Serious Talk, just an awkward, coded admission over dinner. That works.
Becky, for all her indelicacies, actually seems scared of screwing up Joyce’s life by shooting her mouth off. Good on her. Just for fun, compare the contexts of “Aw, jeez” in this strip and an earlier one .
Also, what is that in Joyce’s hand in panel 1? Is it pickled ginger, or was she actually about to humor Dorothy and try some frickin’ sashimi before Becky brought up Ethan? In either case, she’s using her fingers. The battle of the chopsticks is over.
I think that’s Becky’s hand in panel 1, not Joyce’s.
Ah. Dang. Quite right. Oh, well.
I think it’s debatable. But more importantly – where does it go? It’s not in anyone’s hand in panel 5. Is one of them doing the deep and meaningful with a mouthful of sushi? Because that’d be terrible.
I’d say it’s salmon nigiri — possibly sashimi — in Becky’s left hand. She probably eats it in panels 3 and 4. Previous strips have had her chewing food she’d clearly used her hand to put in her mouth.
Amusingly the salmon matches her shirt.
Nice that Becky thinks she was trying to encourage Ethan, though he clearly didn’t get the message. I don’t think most of us did, either.
Noodle my caboodle, cuz I love Jesuuuus,
The good Lord would want it that waaaay.
Cause everyone knows it’s the sex that God can’t seeeee
(god I love Garfunkel and Oates)
Doesn’t count if it’s in the caboodle!
I’m actually wondering if this is how Becky reconciles her religion and her sexuality. Premarital hanky-panky’s a sin, but it’s not really hanky-panky unless a dude’s noodle is going into a chick’s capoodle, so nothing she does with another chick is against the rules?
I dated a gal who felt precisely that way. It was doomed from the start. Unlike Joyce, though, I didn’t know what I was (not) getting into.
I think that Becky has lost — or just plain rejected and tossed away — her religion, whichever one it was.
It’s amazing how many people want to force Joyce to have sex, whether she wants it or not.
Finally, someone else who notices this. I know that Joyce is autobiographical, though, so man, I feel for her, and I am retrospectively pissed off at whoever Willis’s IRL Becky is. She hasn’t even ASKED how Joyce is doing since they last saw each other, or what’s been going on in her life.
Joyce was calling to give her updates up until the last week or so when she couldn’t get ahold of Becky anymore.
They had several hours worth (in universe) of grand tour of campus complete with montage where Joyce introduced Becky to her friends and new life.
The wise Walkerton remained silent.
Bad math score or not – he’s not stupid.
He’s doing a trick I learnt from Daniel the Human – just sit back & watch the madness unfold…
Boobs. It’s gotta be boobs, not anal – she’s covering her chest defensively!
There you have it, Becky. No premartial Caboodling. Giblets are fair game though. The jury is still out on Boffing.
Wow, Joyce. That’s excellent. You told them about the breakup without complicating it and without outing Ethan.
I love Dorothy in panel 4. Inner monologue: “I have to talk to Joyce about the problematic aspects of dating a gay man… oh, they broke up. Mental gear shift in 3, 2, 1… Huh, are we talking about vaginas now?
Oh, Becky. It finally starts to register that rad as you are, you can be seen as rude rather than sassy. Just pay a bit more attention to peoples reactions and you’ll be fine. That was an awful quick change of topic to boyfriends from Joyce-eating-Dorothy’s-Sushi. Still holding out hope she might be into Caboodles after all?
You mean “capoodle”. No one knows if she’s into lady caboodles, but she’s made it pretty clear that she’s not into capoodles, only noodles.
It might be hope for Becky yet.
Aha – so Becky was trying to HELP with the “you’re fired” line, rather than cause problems. That’s still, well, not good since it was still “HOW DARE YOU NOT HAVE SEX WHEN I THINK YOU SHOULD” but the fact she didn’t realise, and is upset to realise, that it would cause problems means there might be hope here.
(Then I remember I’m reading a Willis comic. She’s going to end up at daggers drawn with Joyce until she dies saving early hominids.)
Well Becky sounds and acts like a young teenager but at least here she does seem to realise the consequences of her actions which is a good thing
Yeah if you can’t use the actual words to describe sex you’re probably not really emotionally mature enough to be having it.
Any news of oochy-coochy? Or is that just plain old-fashioned?
I’m gonna noodle my caboodle til the doodle reaches boodle and capoodle in my poodle until the toodle-pip!
It is deeply disturbing how much that sounds like Dr. Seuss.
It’s from ‘The Fox in Socks’:
“When beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles and the bottle’s on a poodle and the poodle’s eating noodles …
“… they call this a muddle puddle tweetle poodle beetle noodle bottle paddle battle. AND …”
WHAT THE SHIT, if the caPoodle is the vagina then logically the caBoodle would be the butt.
Did Becky just say she nudged Ethan into entering through the backdoor? Or better yet, the caboodle is the mouth…
Joyce did down the whole sushi roll thing without chewing…
That’s a whole new level of euphemism!
So noodlin’ de caboodle doesn’t actually count as sex? Is that what Becky’s getting at?
She doesn’t want to say it, but Dorothy is all for the noodle.
I’m not convinced that Joyce even know the difference between a capoodle and a caboodle or any other body part “down there.” Wasn’t she just recently fantasizing about having Ethan rub his “thing” on her “tummy”? We need 3D paper dolls to chart this one out. “And then tab D goes into slot V…”
She’d still know her own body.
“Aaand, action.”
“Who’s Ben Ambroso?”
“A fan of ours. He’s gonna ask his girlfriend to take things to the, uh, next level.”
“What, like an*BLEEP*?”
Quarantine this area immediately! There has been an outbreak of butts disease.
And by “the area” I mean Joyce’s caboodle.
I think you mean Caboodle Disease.
first sushi and now noodles?!? when will the asian food end?!?
Hopefully never. I don’t want to imagine a world without Asian food
I always thought caboodle noodling was the one thing God was OK with outside the confines of marriage! Or at least that’s what my super-Christian high school friend said, anyway.
You’re friends with Bible-Man?
Becky is getting super annoying with her new attitude. If I was Dorothy, I wouldn’t be putting up with her calling me ‘Dotty’, especially when I’m paying for her meal!
Dotty is the short form of her name, it’s not something rude.
I been calling her Dotty since I started posting in DoA.
Eh. Just call it fucking. It’s a good, straightforward term.
I really enjoy the comic, but it would be so much better if the characters didn’t talk like it was the 1950’s. Becky calling Dorothy “Dotty” comes across sounding incredibly dated, as do words like “caboodle” and “hanky panky”. It might be more believable that these kids were in college if they actually spoke like college-aged kids. Just some constructive criticism.
It’s really only Becky and Joyce that talk like that, and while that isn’t how people normally talk, I think that’s how they’ve been taught to talk by their parents (and their parents have been able to be more overbearing by virtue of the homeschooling), and their parents probably aren’t hip to slang past the 70’s. It’s believable as long as they are the only two using slang like that.
I can imagine Walky using those words now, just because he`s got a silly streak a mile wide.
I mean, did you miss the fact that Joyce was sheltered and homeschooled? And homeschooled in the not interacting with people outside of your bubble for your own good version of homeschooled.
That’s kind of been… the ENTIRE point of this whole comic.
You would be correct in asserting that it’s intentionally meant to reflect Joyce and her upbringing if DOA was the only comic David Willis had ever made. However, I’ve been reading his comics for a decade now and many of his characters have always spoken this way. I think it’s more reflective of Willis and his upbringing than anything else, and that’s fine, a writer is naturally going to pull from their own experiences. I just feel that the comic would be improved if the characters walk of speaking reflected their age better.
Becky is learning there are CONSEQUENCES to her WORDS :0
Is it wrong that I now feel like calling it the capoodle from now on?
I really feel like Becky is using the term noodling to refer to, like, groping or whatever and not like outright preventative buttsex.
Joyce, if you really think about it we’re all doomed from the get go.
Oh, God, I know this is a webcomic and I enjoy it a LOT, seeing as I am in college myself, and this resonates with me so much that it’s scary, but….
THERE’S A TANGENT BETWEEN PANEL FOUR AND FIVE WITH DOROTHY’S HAIR AND IT IS BUGGING THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!!
*Huh!* *Huh!* Okay, I feel a WHOLE lot better now! Sorry, Mr. Willis, but being a Comics Major means having to learn the technical aspects of making comics and because of that, I don’t look at comics the same way anymore…AND IT IS VERY ANNOYING WHEN I FIND STUFF LIKE THAT! Lol, again, sorry, I just had to get that out of my system. I sound like such a slob.
I don’t think Joyce and Becky are using “noodlin'” to indicate sex, but to indicate feeling someone up. So by caboodle-noodlin’, they don’t mean anal sex; they mean ass-grabbing.
i can hardly fathom how dirty that is