I’m really starting to wonder if Jen’s habit of bi erasure doesn’t stem more from her being a full on lesbian rather than bi in denial. When has Jennifer ever showed this much interest in any man ever?
There was Asher for a while, but apparently he wasn’t enough of a jerk to hold her interest.
Samantha
No it’s obvious she was not that into asher remember it’s implied Raidah orchestrated it. And she was still pining for and hung up on Ruth. And even going back to Ruth trying with Danny. He could tell she wasn’t into him and just acting out. I’m getting the impression Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does but she’s actually into and likes women. Her interest and fascination has always been with women. Which now is making me think she’s a lesbian in denial or who is dealing with comp het. Like she openly says straight women bang other women they are friends with and the other straight women all say … Uhm no… No we don’t. Only joyce who is bi and in love but in denial with Dorothy was like oh okay.
Thag Simmons
I will note that in terms of this continuity we basically have a sample size of three, and our material for one of those three is extremely fragmentary.
I do vaguely recall some instances of her talking about dudes in the same general register as her talking about Raidah here, and of course there’s the old continuity. You could read most of that as comphet, but I don’t think that’s the intent and I’d be surprised if that was ever canonized.
With Jennifer that is, I have an extremely strong gut feeling that Alice is just outright gay.
I’m actually starting to agree. Like it’s very very suspect to me that we have never seen Jennifer actually invested in a relationship with a man. It’s always been girls. I’m really starting to think she’s a lesbian denying it who has had attraction-less relationships with men. And her reactions to joyce discovering she’s bi is also kind of sus
Yeah its starting to feel like possible comp het. Jennifer has been shown to be incredibly acceptable to societal pressure and expectation. She was the hot party girl cheerleader. She is supposed to bang and get the hot guys. It’s starting to feel like this is less her own interest and more an expectation she feels she’s supposed to have.
This makes it seem like that last strip was Billie trying to make a joke/her sense of humor and Raidah having absolutely none of it. Actually that’s exactly what it is, isn’t it?
Mx. Willis was kind enough to show the first two panels of this strip to me and my partner back at SPX, and I am so so so glad that the Raidah “You will never top me” parapraxis panel that has rotated in my brain for months has finally been released. Comic of all time, this rules.
Somehow Billie still doesn’t believe bisexuality’s a thing, tho.
And Raidah may be many things, but I think she’s at least a little less fuzzy on that concept.
Nono
I think in a way it’s a “rules for thee but not for me” thing. Like she’s totally okay with other people being gay and trans, but apply any of those labels to herself and it’s “oh no no, couldn’t be ME”.
I’ll totally cop to being weird in general but I have never understood the concept of hatefucking. like if I hate a person, nothing about them is appealing and I do not want to waste time being around them. like I could go home, jerk off, and save myself the headache of being around this motherfucker
I know it’s a trope in fiction… but is hate sex really a thing IRL? The concept makes no sense to me. I cannot imagine hating someone’s guts *and* also wanting to bang them. The two feel like mutually exclusive emotions to me.
I can’t speak to hate sex, but I think I kind of get it. I initially hated most of those people who ultimately became my closest friends. I think it was because, deep down I was jealous of them. They had qualities or relationshps that I deeply valued, I guess I felt less inadequte beside them. So maybe, hate sex works not if you hate somebody because they are awful but because they possess qualities you desire, but can’t admit to yourself. Here, Billie has always shown herself to admire popularity, power, and somewhat casual cruelty to remind others of their place. Perhaps as a result, she also apparently has a thing for being lightly abused in bed and figures of higher standing (like Ruth and Raidah) who are mean to her. You know the whole enemies to lovers trope.
Of course, maybe hate sex is just about the lure of the forbidden. I mean people often seem to have a secret thing for stuff they’re community treats as taboo (the stats on correlation between political leanings and prefered pornography are very … interesting to say the least). Or maybe its just the idea of lack of commitment and consequences – presumably that gal who wants your skin as slippers isn’t looking for a long term commitment here.
More darkly, I supppose they say “everything is about sex, except sex which is about power” so maybe it’s just about exhibiting some level of control or authority over those you view as your enemy.
Yes it’s really a thing, the same way cuteness aggression is a thing. Human brains are a bit messy, so for some people certain intense emotions can offload into other channels. For sex however there is an additional element in that sex is often seen as a vehicle for dominance and aggression. This common enough to affect the language, consider the following words: pounded, smashed, railed, drilled, demolished, destroyed, blown out, hit, clapped, folded, run through. These are violent words, but they all refer to someone who has had sex, particularly in the passive role. Then of course there is fuck, which refers to the act of sex but is so loaded with aggression it is one of the most common ways to verbally express it.
So, if you mind equates sex and violence, then wanting to hurt someone and wanting to fuck them are not mutually exclusive but complementary emotions, which results in hate-sex.
64 thoughts on “Top”
Abdomino
God, I get it
Astariel
Ugh, no, it really doesn’t.
NGPZ
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY XD ^-^
mindbleach
There’s a reason that “should” and “would” are different concepts.
TrueVCU
MOOOOOM THE LESBIANS ARE BEING PROBLEMATIC AGAIN!
Rose By Any Other Name
I’m really starting to wonder if Jen’s habit of bi erasure doesn’t stem more from her being a full on lesbian rather than bi in denial. When has Jennifer ever showed this much interest in any man ever?
StClair
There was Asher for a while, but apparently he wasn’t enough of a jerk to hold her interest.
Samantha
No it’s obvious she was not that into asher remember it’s implied Raidah orchestrated it. And she was still pining for and hung up on Ruth. And even going back to Ruth trying with Danny. He could tell she wasn’t into him and just acting out. I’m getting the impression Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does but she’s actually into and likes women. Her interest and fascination has always been with women. Which now is making me think she’s a lesbian in denial or who is dealing with comp het. Like she openly says straight women bang other women they are friends with and the other straight women all say … Uhm no… No we don’t. Only joyce who is bi and in love but in denial with Dorothy was like oh okay.
Thag Simmons
I will note that in terms of this continuity we basically have a sample size of three, and our material for one of those three is extremely fragmentary.
Getes
I can’t recall her ever showing interest in any man.
Thag Simmons
I do vaguely recall some instances of her talking about dudes in the same general register as her talking about Raidah here, and of course there’s the old continuity. You could read most of that as comphet, but I don’t think that’s the intent and I’d be surprised if that was ever canonized.
With Jennifer that is, I have an extremely strong gut feeling that Alice is just outright gay.
Ray
Fresh Jennifer hatesex ship…..
Steamweed
Perhaps I can interest you in a three-way hatesex ship?
Samantha
I’m actually starting to agree. Like it’s very very suspect to me that we have never seen Jennifer actually invested in a relationship with a man. It’s always been girls. I’m really starting to think she’s a lesbian denying it who has had attraction-less relationships with men. And her reactions to joyce discovering she’s bi is also kind of sus
RassilonTDavros
I assume this was meant to be a response to Rose’s comment above?
Samantha
Oh my goodness yes it was. I’m so sorry.
Samantha
Yeah its starting to feel like possible comp het. Jennifer has been shown to be incredibly acceptable to societal pressure and expectation. She was the hot party girl cheerleader. She is supposed to bang and get the hot guys. It’s starting to feel like this is less her own interest and more an expectation she feels she’s supposed to have.
Rosicrucian
We’re really learning why Billie wound up with Ruth, and why Asher being a good boyfriend was never gonna satisfy her.
Steamweed
Billifer, please do not teach Alice the dark side. The light side, yes. By all means, do please teach Alice the light side.
Rosicrucian
Oh, she already taught Alice.
How else do you think Alice got a taste for it?
Thag Simmons
I do not think Jennifer has ever been qualified to teach Alice the light side.
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
This is my superbowl
Grimey
This makes it seem like that last strip was Billie trying to make a joke/her sense of humor and Raidah having absolutely none of it. Actually that’s exactly what it is, isn’t it?
Taffy
Alice is correct and telling the truth.
Stormtide Leviathan
Beautiful. Dykes with emotional problems and unhealthy attractions. My ideal story
Rose By Any Other Name
Truly, these are our people.
Dot
RAIDAH PEGS!!!!!!!!
Rosicrucian
I knew this would lure you out.
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
Mx. Willis was kind enough to show the first two panels of this strip to me and my partner back at SPX, and I am so so so glad that the Raidah “You will never top me” parapraxis panel that has rotated in my brain for months has finally been released. Comic of all time, this rules.
RassilonTDavros
I like your Grav!
JessWitt
I’ll just pretend this strip stopped on the fifth panel.
Taffy
Coward.
Thag Simmons
I mean, it’s not exactly out of character for either of these two to be attracted to extremely toxic girls
Taigan
“Maybe we could gang up on her? … in a violent way, I mean! Because she’s so unlikable!”
Amós Batista
thanks, Raidah, for making Jennifer gay again
Rose By Any Other Name
Jennifer: “That’s my secret, Raidah…”
Y’all know the rest.
Thag Simmons
I am pretty sure Raidah is also the one we can credit with her going back to pretending to be straight in the first place.
Rosicrucian
Somehow Billie still doesn’t believe bisexuality’s a thing, tho.
And Raidah may be many things, but I think she’s at least a little less fuzzy on that concept.
Nono
I think in a way it’s a “rules for thee but not for me” thing. Like she’s totally okay with other people being gay and trans, but apply any of those labels to herself and it’s “oh no no, couldn’t be ME”.
Nono
Honestly, kinda wild that the only guy we’ve seen Jennifer with, and they’re both drifting off to gay relationships after they broke up.
Nono
Is there a term for a hate polycule of Jennifer/Ruth/Alice/Raidah?
clif
No Asma? No Sarah? No Mary?
nadamás
I can’t tell if Raidah missed or played into the double entendre.
Grimey
I think she got it but refused to play so hard that she accidentally did.
Wraithy2773
100% played into.
tomorand
<3<
nadamás
Fam! 🤝
tomorand
<3<
Dara
Honestly I feel so much better about her still putting up with [waves hands] all that, now that I know it’s really about all that.
IntangibleMatter
As a fan of Ruth and Billie, I’m doing the whole Sickos.png thing to this
apocryphascribe
SICKOS.PNG
Lys
Alice and Jennifer reinforcing each other’s toxic desires is magnificent and I love it.
darkoneko
…what the f***
Qube
I’ll totally cop to being weird in general but I have never understood the concept of hatefucking. like if I hate a person, nothing about them is appealing and I do not want to waste time being around them. like I could go home, jerk off, and save myself the headache of being around this motherfucker
clif
You don’t have to enjoy twisted relationships for yourself in order to enjoy other people’s twisted relationships.
HueSatLight
stupid sexy flanders
Tequila Mockingbird
I know it’s a trope in fiction… but is hate sex really a thing IRL? The concept makes no sense to me. I cannot imagine hating someone’s guts *and* also wanting to bang them. The two feel like mutually exclusive emotions to me.
TrueSurvivor
I can’t speak to hate sex, but I think I kind of get it. I initially hated most of those people who ultimately became my closest friends. I think it was because, deep down I was jealous of them. They had qualities or relationshps that I deeply valued, I guess I felt less inadequte beside them. So maybe, hate sex works not if you hate somebody because they are awful but because they possess qualities you desire, but can’t admit to yourself. Here, Billie has always shown herself to admire popularity, power, and somewhat casual cruelty to remind others of their place. Perhaps as a result, she also apparently has a thing for being lightly abused in bed and figures of higher standing (like Ruth and Raidah) who are mean to her. You know the whole enemies to lovers trope.
Of course, maybe hate sex is just about the lure of the forbidden. I mean people often seem to have a secret thing for stuff they’re community treats as taboo (the stats on correlation between political leanings and prefered pornography are very … interesting to say the least). Or maybe its just the idea of lack of commitment and consequences – presumably that gal who wants your skin as slippers isn’t looking for a long term commitment here.
More darkly, I supppose they say “everything is about sex, except sex which is about power” so maybe it’s just about exhibiting some level of control or authority over those you view as your enemy.
Icalasari
Pretty sure it works along the cute aggression thing. The brain starts getting mixed signals
Lys
Yes it’s really a thing, the same way cuteness aggression is a thing. Human brains are a bit messy, so for some people certain intense emotions can offload into other channels. For sex however there is an additional element in that sex is often seen as a vehicle for dominance and aggression. This common enough to affect the language, consider the following words: pounded, smashed, railed, drilled, demolished, destroyed, blown out, hit, clapped, folded, run through. These are violent words, but they all refer to someone who has had sex, particularly in the passive role. Then of course there is fuck, which refers to the act of sex but is so loaded with aggression it is one of the most common ways to verbally express it.
So, if you mind equates sex and violence, then wanting to hurt someone and wanting to fuck them are not mutually exclusive but complementary emotions, which results in hate-sex.
TrueSurvivor
Alas, there is no way Alice and Billie work out. They’re realtionship has simply become far too functional and healthy.
Cameron Stone
Okay, when did they start letting Amber write the comic?
clif
Amber has always written the comic.
Bryy
oh god I finally get it. Raidah is Surrogate Ruth.
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