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by David M Willis on July 20, 2014 at 12:01 am
  • 04 - The Whiteboard Dingdong Bandit
└ Tags: jennifer, mike, ruth, walky

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  1. Jen Aside
    Jen Aside
    July 20, 2014 at 12:01 am | #

    wait why were you pantsless to see Ruth

    • AgentKeen
      AgentKeen
      July 20, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

      Gotta show off those sweet Dexter boxers.

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        July 20, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

        Many people are more reseptive when a caramel log is on offer. 😛

        • ninja_jesus
          ninja_jesus
          July 20, 2014 at 3:04 am | #

          Except Ruth doesn’t like caramel logs.

          • David M Willis
            David M Willis
            July 20, 2014 at 4:35 am | #

            why wouldn’t she

            • DapperAnarchist
              DapperAnarchist
              July 20, 2014 at 6:05 am | #

              Yeah, sexuality isn’t defined by current interest or relationship. The only person to say she’s a lesbian is Howard and 1) she disagreed and 2) jesus, would you take Howard’s word for anything else? Really? Kid means well, but honestly thinks “Show me Game of Thrones!” is an appropriate thing to do when visiting your sister for the first time in… quite a while.

              • JWLM
                JWLM
                July 20, 2014 at 8:25 pm | #

                Actually, I’m not really sure the Ruth said she wasn’t lesbian. I think she said she wasn’t sure — but her comment to Billie later on (that they’d found out that she ‘liked girls’,) suggests that she was toning it down for her brother.

                Of course, I thought the moment when her brother told Billie to take care of Ruth was unbearably touching…

            • Eukie
              Eukie
              July 21, 2014 at 2:38 pm | #

              Tired joke time: because Walky’s caramel log doesn’t taste of alcohol.

              • Jadedcynic
                Jadedcynic
                December 27, 2014 at 8:50 pm | #

                perfect gravitar is perfect.

          • k
            k
            July 20, 2014 at 7:47 am | #

            yeah, uh, women with peen exist.

            • Carriethedragon
              Carriethedragon
              July 20, 2014 at 11:09 am | #

              That too, but I think it was more of the fact that, as far as we know, Ruth could be either lesbian or bisexual (and the latter seems likely, seeing as she pretty much said Billie was her first girl crush, meaning that before she thought she was either straight or asexual).

        • Farmer_10
          Farmer_10
          July 20, 2014 at 6:50 am | #

          Sweet OPM gravie.

          • Plasma Mongoose
            Plasma Mongoose
            July 20, 2014 at 8:19 am | #

            Thanks, I only wish they would update, it has been a while.

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      July 20, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

      Ehh, so long as Lil’ Walky wasn’t hanging out of his fly (again) he was dressed enough for it to be considered “jammies”

    • Nick Piers
      Nick Piers
      July 20, 2014 at 12:36 am | #

      Because when you’re not wearing pants, people listen.

      Mostly so the conversation can end quickly so you can leave them to put on pants.

    • Willoughby Chase
      Willoughby Chase
      July 20, 2014 at 4:00 am | #

      To me, avec tee-shirt, sans trousers and pants … means he was naked from the waist down.

      So what do Americans call pants???

      • Khyrin
        Khyrin
        July 20, 2014 at 4:04 am | #

        Boxers, tighty-whities, panties… i’m sure there are other names/types too, but i can’t think of any.

        • NaughtbutaHoax
          NaughtbutaHoax
          July 20, 2014 at 7:21 pm | #

          Oh, the possibilities.
          And this doesn’t even get into regional terms– here in the South, for instance, people refer to underoos as “drawers” or “underdrawers”. (Pronounced “droors” or “draw-ers”, depending on the flavor of Southern drawl going on.)

          • NaughtbutaHoax
            NaughtbutaHoax
            July 20, 2014 at 7:27 pm | #

            On the other side of the statement (as I wrote this long-ass explanation and then thought “maybe I should just link the Wiki article” and then forgot the other half of what I was gonna say) trousers/jeans/et cetera are what Americans call pants commonly, although I do remember during a period that I was caretaking for a nonagenarian that she referred to her underthings as “pants”, so it may well be a (relatively) recent shift.

      • Usayasha
        Usayasha
        July 20, 2014 at 4:10 am | #

        The common term is “underwear.” Sometimes “underpants.”

      • Knight
        Knight
        July 20, 2014 at 8:29 am | #

        In america pants are the equivalent of trousers.

      • OldFart
        OldFart
        July 20, 2014 at 11:58 pm | #

        Also, knickers are calf-length trousers, what Brits might call plus fours, I believe. Sal used knickers to refer to undergarments, but that is very unusual; she probably got it from Jason.

        • Kelly
          Kelly
          October 13, 2014 at 3:48 am | #

          I have only ever heard “knickers” used in older work or stuff set in the past, and in the phrase “(don’t) get your knickers in a twist”. It isn’t really a current word, at least not in the western US. Maybe in the South?

  2. AgentKeen
    AgentKeen
    July 20, 2014 at 12:01 am | #

    What? Why would she like her bully? That’s just crazy talk…

    • tinfoil theory
      tinfoil theory
      July 20, 2014 at 3:04 am | #

      What would Walky know about how Ruth manhandled Billie?

      • Cody B
        Cody B
        July 20, 2014 at 11:07 am | #

        Before the confession she was pretty vocal about Ruth being a bully.

  3. Michael
    Michael
    July 20, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    Well. That’s primarily awkward

  4. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    July 20, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    The Nail just got hit on the Head.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      July 20, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

      Someone’s gonna get nailed, all right.

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        July 20, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

        ^_^ BANG!

        • Maveric1984
          Maveric1984
          July 20, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

          I sad a bang bang bangity bang!

          • Plasma Mongoose
            Plasma Mongoose
            July 20, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

            CRIKEY! 😀

          • liahansen
            liahansen
            July 20, 2014 at 12:17 am | #

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2KwFMky5Y4

            • Maveric1984
              Maveric1984
              July 20, 2014 at 12:24 am | #

              Oh it’s plenty funny!

          • Kelly
            Kelly
            July 20, 2014 at 12:10 pm | #

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSKG3TS0uE

        • Anarchy 101
          Anarchy 101
          July 20, 2014 at 1:35 am | #

          Nows the time for some steamy make up sex

      • Flimsyfishy
        Flimsyfishy
        July 20, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

        In Walkerton’s bed…

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 20, 2014 at 12:13 am | #

          I hope they wash the sheets afterwards.

          • Anarchy 101
            Anarchy 101
            July 20, 2014 at 1:36 am | #

            Forget the bed, just used the floor

          • tinfoil theory
            tinfoil theory
            July 20, 2014 at 3:21 am | #

            They’ll probably have to burn the bed afterwards.

            That’s where Mike is off to in such a hurry. He needs to organize a new bed.

          • Wack'd
            Wack'd
            July 20, 2014 at 10:12 am | #

            Frankly, given Walky’s predilection for eating in bed, they should wash the sheets before.

  5. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    July 20, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    Sheesh, Get a room, you two

    • lejwocky
      lejwocky
      July 20, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

      It looks like they’ll be getting Walky’s room for the time being.

      • newllend
        newllend
        July 20, 2014 at 12:28 am | #

        If you don’t want to join come back in 6 hours.

  6. etybolik
    etybolik
    July 20, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

    Oh Walky, if only you knew the shitstorm you (probably) just caused.

    • Shadow12000
      Shadow12000
      July 20, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

      Or sexy storm.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        July 20, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

        But not a sexy shitstorm. That just sounds gross.

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 20, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

          Two Giirls One Umbrella?

          • Rheinman
            Rheinman
            July 20, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

            Two girls and the Stanley Cup

            • Izzy
              Izzy
              July 20, 2014 at 10:11 am | #

              Two girls, One athletic cup?

          • Rheinman
            Rheinman
            July 20, 2014 at 12:13 am | #

            From the website http://canadiansexacts.org/canadian_statement.htm

          • lejwocky
            lejwocky
            July 20, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

            <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ce-zC_n8E&quot; title="Kinky.."

            • lejwocky
              lejwocky
              July 20, 2014 at 12:15 am | #

              Well that didn’t work. :C

          • Giant Speck
            Giant Speck
            July 20, 2014 at 12:47 am | #

            ella ella eh eh eh

        • NCP19
          NCP19
          July 20, 2014 at 12:41 am | #

          How about a shitty sexstorm?

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        July 20, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

        A halle storm you might say.

  7. MrSirk
    MrSirk
    July 20, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

    Walky’s pretty good at setting up awkward situations.

    • newllend
      newllend
      July 20, 2014 at 12:32 am | #

      Danny vs Walky, AKWARD OFF!

      • ninja_jesus
        ninja_jesus
        July 20, 2014 at 3:07 am | #

        That wouldn’t work though. Walky is good at setting up awkward situations for other people, while Danny just sets up awkward situations for himself.

        Danny is selfish, in other words. Not sharing that awkwardness with anyone. >:(

  8. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    July 20, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

    *reads hovertext* Why would Walky smell any worse than he normally does?

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      July 20, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

      He’s not showering before going to class. I don’t know about other folks, but I get quite ripe if I don’t have a shower every day.

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        July 20, 2014 at 12:08 am | #

        It also depends on how hot the day is, when it’s hot, you can smell the rot.

      • meghantheworldeater
        meghantheworldeater
        July 20, 2014 at 12:08 am | #

        I think the implication is that Walky smells regardless.

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 20, 2014 at 12:15 am | #

          That’s because he doesn’t seem to bother even with the smell test when it comes to his clothing.

          • Kelly
            Kelly
            July 20, 2014 at 12:12 pm | #

            Some of us can’t smell

      • Tenn
        Tenn
        July 20, 2014 at 2:49 am | #

        I assumed it was because he’s going to wear the shirt he slept in, but sure, if he hasn’t had a shower since last morning, he might smell.

        Before workdays, I usually shower in the evening. Makes the morning routine shorter so I can sleep a little longer.

    • Darth Cariss
      Darth Cariss
      July 20, 2014 at 1:37 am | #

      I thought maybe it was because he was in bed with Billie and she smells or something? I don’t know.

  9. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    July 20, 2014 at 12:08 am | #

    *canned laughter and extended Woool! noises for half a minute*

  10. dailybrad
    dailybrad
    July 20, 2014 at 12:08 am | #

    It’s kind of funny how Ruth didn’t seem phased by Walky in his undahpants. Guess maybe that’s not super uncommon in the dorms.

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      July 20, 2014 at 12:25 am | #

      You’ve never lived in a coed college dorm have you?

      • Betty Anne
        Betty Anne
        July 20, 2014 at 3:04 am | #

        ^ This. She’s probably glad he didn’t show up with a towel ALMOST wrapped all the way around his waist. ^^;

    • Pantheon the Mantheon
      Pantheon the Mantheon
      July 20, 2014 at 4:33 am | #

      You’ve never lived with siblings of the opposite gender have you?

  11. Rosicrucian
    Rosicrucian
    July 20, 2014 at 12:08 am | #

    Mike knows better than to stay in the blast radius.

    • tinfoil theory
      tinfoil theory
      July 20, 2014 at 3:16 am | #

      Mike probably has “something to take care of.” In private.

      Amazi-Girl must have left Clark Wing before Walky got to Ruth, meaning she must have been there when Amazi-Girl was summoned to track down the Whiteboard Bandit, but of course nobody wanted to bother the only girl there that was affected and is also mean and scary. It also means that either Amazi-Girl has now seen the amazing D&MM-pants of Walky, or she took a different route. Then Amazi-Girl got to Mike before Ruth and Walky did, but Amazi-Girl had already left, no doubt evading Ruthless by way of an alternative route, which indicates that Amazi-Girl has not seen Walky’s amazing D&MM-pants.

      There is a lot of to and fro between the wings even before everyone is getting dressed,, and Mike is the only one to bear witness to it. Mike knows all!

  12. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    July 20, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

    Other things that could have gotten Billie to talk:

    1) Did you hear? They just lowered the drinking age to 18.

    2) There’s some jocks having a naked towel fight in the hall. Should I tell them to pipe down so you can sleep?

    3) Someone ran a Dragons cheerleader uniform up the flagpole. Wonder where they got it.

    4) Joyce has announced her intention to “Get in on this Slipshine thing”, and wants to know where she can find one of those take-a-number machines that goes up to a billion.

    5) My sister wants to know if you’d be interested in “experimenting” with her, but I told you you aren’t into science.

    • Pantheon the Mantheon
      Pantheon the Mantheon
      July 20, 2014 at 4:36 am | #

      Well played sir. I especially approve of #5

      • Ivan
        Ivan
        July 20, 2014 at 12:01 pm | #

        Agreed!#5 is outstanding! And ha great real life use potential!!

  13. Khaner
    Khaner
    July 20, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

    Wait, he did all this without underwear on?

    • Rosicrucian
      Rosicrucian
      July 20, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

      No, just without pants.

      • Khaner
        Khaner
        July 20, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

        I have reason to believe that he sleeps naked.

        • Thomas
          Thomas
          July 20, 2014 at 12:21 am | #

          No, you don’t: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/doinokay/

          Although I get the reference to the sleeping habit of the other twin.

    • Kelly
      Kelly
      July 20, 2014 at 12:15 pm | #

      American!pants = British!trousers
      British!pants = American!underpants/underwear

  14. shietka
    shietka
    July 20, 2014 at 12:23 am | #

    I love the look on Billie’s face. “I think you like your R.A. more than me.” I can almost hear her saying “Well, actually….”

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      July 20, 2014 at 12:27 am | #

      Nails, heads, hitting, etc.

  15. newllend
    newllend
    July 20, 2014 at 12:27 am | #

    Your jumping to conclusion’s walky

    • tinfoil theory
      tinfoil theory
      July 20, 2014 at 3:18 am | #

      His jumping to the Walky of conclusions.

    • Arkadi
      Arkadi
      July 20, 2014 at 4:12 am | #

      With uncanny accuracy.

  16. Rabid Rabbit
    Rabid Rabbit
    July 20, 2014 at 12:52 am | #

    Oh dear, she’s trapped. Unless she takes some hints from her roommate, who may or may not be Amazi-Girl, and thinks of escaing via the window.

    • Blue Dragon
      Blue Dragon
      July 20, 2014 at 5:10 am | #

      Safer would be for Billie to cut through the shared half bath.
      Tricky to pull off successfully, though. Also, less dramatically pleasing, unless David is planning a bigger payoff later down the line.

      • nekobawt
        nekobawt
        July 20, 2014 at 5:15 am | #

        do we know who walky/mike’s neighbors are yet?

  17. Rob Carlson
    Rob Carlson
    July 20, 2014 at 1:01 am | #

    @ the alt text

    Is he going to smell much worse than usual, though?

  18. caesaria82
    caesaria82
    July 20, 2014 at 1:12 am | #

    Walky being accidentally perceptive there lol.

  19. EvergreenFir
    EvergreenFir
    July 20, 2014 at 1:15 am | #

    Does he smell good most days?

  20. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    July 20, 2014 at 1:23 am | #

    Be fair, Walky. She likes most people more than you.

  21. Idon'tcarenomore
    Idon'tcarenomore
    July 20, 2014 at 1:23 am | #

    I think he usually smells like Frito’s.

    Good Deal. Ruth and Billie are face to face like it or not and Billie did promise Walky to ‘talk’ to Billie.

    Fingers crossed.

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      July 20, 2014 at 9:16 am | #

      I’d think Nachitos.

  22. pumacatrun2
    pumacatrun2
    July 20, 2014 at 2:53 am | #

    Mike didn’t wait up when Walky was probably going to tell him that Ruth and Billie were ‘talking it out’.

    Mike’s totally going to walk in on Billie and Ruth either fighting or making out again.

    • pumacatrun2
      pumacatrun2
      July 20, 2014 at 2:55 am | #

      Also, how do Gravatars even work I made an account but I still get the same comment form and even though I used my username and e-mail from Gravatar it’s still going to the default pictures.

      • Opus the Poet
        Opus the Poet
        July 20, 2014 at 12:15 pm | #

        Upload a picture to gravatar and uncheck the “use default” box.

        • pumacatrun2
          pumacatrun2
          July 21, 2014 at 2:37 am | #

          Where is this magical use default box to uncheck, I see nothing on the DOA website or Gravatar one…

  23. ninja_jesus
    ninja_jesus
    July 20, 2014 at 3:11 am | #

    Wait, has Billie been blushing, or has she been sick this whole time or what?

    • BlackIo
      BlackIo
      July 20, 2014 at 4:13 am | #

      That’s her “sleep-deprived and hungover” coloring.

    • nekobawt
      nekobawt
      July 20, 2014 at 4:21 am | #

      don’t have a reference link, but it has been stated that this is what she looks like after she’s been drinking.

    • Clif
      Clif
      July 20, 2014 at 7:04 am | #

      She’s been suffering from a bout of massive depression that just got hit with a massive adrinalin rush.

    • Gigafreak
      Gigafreak
      July 20, 2014 at 9:29 am | #

      Speaking of blushing, I now notice Walky doesn’t have those rosy cheeks that most of the others have. I thought for a moment that maybe it’s because of his dark skin, but then I saw Sarah in the banner, and she has rosy cheeks AND dark skin, so it can’t be that.

      If he’s rooming with Mike, that makes this room rosy-cheek free. Hell, today’s page completely is rosy-cheek free.

  24. kajirye
    kajirye
    July 20, 2014 at 5:31 am | #

    Just read from start to finish… now I have no comment, so.. uh.. awesome comic.

  25. Emperor Kiva
    Emperor Kiva
    July 20, 2014 at 5:58 am | #

    Walky, you have no idea how right you are!

  26. Emoroffle
    Emoroffle
    July 20, 2014 at 6:03 am | #

    Yes Walky, she does. Time for some confrontation Billie, I suggest kiss and make-up.

  27. Samuel Larkin
    Samuel Larkin
    July 20, 2014 at 6:05 am | #

    I know that Amber/Amazi-Girl does not appear in this strip, but I just have to say it. I would love to see a retro 16-bit video game with Amazi-Girl. How much money do you need on Kickstarter? It’s not like you could find programming friends once you got the money.

    • Clif
      Clif
      July 20, 2014 at 7:18 am | #

      Or you could learn to program in javascript yourself and do the whole thing using the graphic capabilities added to the new version of html. Or, as you say, using kickstater money and the programming friends that money could buy you. The sticking points are having a detailed vision of the way the game should work and intelectual property rights AKA permission from Willis.

  28. Soap
    Soap
    July 20, 2014 at 7:29 am | #

    Billie is so cute!

    … i hope they dont end up having sex in walkys bed

    • XMinusOne
      XMinusOne
      July 20, 2014 at 9:36 am | #

      He’ll never wash the sheets if they do. Come to think of it, he prolly doesn’t anyway.

  29. Nono
    Nono
    July 20, 2014 at 7:52 am | #

    Has nobody else noticed Ruth’s sad ‘Goody’ in panel 2? Poor thing, well, as poor as Ruth can be.

  30. RA
    RA
    July 20, 2014 at 8:01 am | #

    I’ve read all of dumbing of age so far, but not the Walkyverse stuff. I don’t get it. What is the attraction of this character? He seems to me generally dumb and selfish and that’s it. Don’t like him at all. Is he supposed to be a “bad boy” (like a male version of his sister) or something? I checked the wikia but it didn’t really explain (there’s something about how he keeps having responsibility shoved onto him or something as he tries at every turn to dodge it… but that’s not endearing ini the least! ( and i think that’s from the Walkyverse, not here, though it would certainly apply to THIS comic))

    • gwalla
      gwalla
      July 21, 2014 at 2:14 am | #

      In the other universe, Walky is a lovable doofus. He’s very different. Really the main thing they have in common is rampaging immaturity.

      • RA
        RA
        July 21, 2014 at 4:35 am | #

        Hmm. Alright, thanks for the clarification. “Rampaging immaturity” definitely does come through in DoA. But the other characters (e.g. obviously Dorothy) seem to like him for some reason and so do readers in the comments section here. I assume (at least for the readers) it’s because he’s the main character (by name) in the other universe(s), but based on what he’s like here i was having trouble imagining how that could be. (Did i mention that i don’t care for him? 🙂 )

  31. Yotsuyasan
    Yotsuyasan
    July 20, 2014 at 8:56 am | #

    Sickly hung over pallor aside, Billie looks really cute in the fourth panel.

    I really hope that the next two or ten strips focuses on Billie and Ruth, and that even if there is some sort of emotional blow-up on the part of one or both of them, it isn’t at the end of the scene, culminating in one of them storming off… I want this scene to end on a hopeful note! (Oh, who am I kidding? I want it to end with another Slipshine comic… But for now, I’ll take vaguely reconciliatory hopefulness…)

    As for Mike… Who wants to bet he’s off to start a life of super villainy, so that he can experience more Amazi-tackles? And thus, an arch nemesis is born!

    • DSL
      DSL
      July 20, 2014 at 9:31 am | #

      Known as the Jerkass, complete with a Glasgow Frown: Signature line to A-G: “You complete me.”

      • Silent
        Silent
        July 20, 2014 at 11:22 am | #

        Am I the only one who wants them to have a hero/villain dynamic, only to eventually ending up a couple?

        • Heavensrun
          Heavensrun
          July 20, 2014 at 4:08 pm | #

          Eh, already seen that, really.

        • Yotsuyasan
          Yotsuyasan
          July 20, 2014 at 5:49 pm | #

          Eh, leave their coupledom to the original ‘verse. I kind of like what’s been going on between Amber and Danny in this continuity.

          But Mike as her super villain nemesis is just too good! Especially if there’s ever some strange multi-dimensional crossover. Imagine how mind blowing it would be to Amazi-girl to see that somewhere, she did reciprocate his advances?

  32. hof1991
    hof1991
    July 20, 2014 at 9:25 am | #

    Love Billie with the sideways Rugrats style face. Shows just how upset the situation has got her.

  33. XMinusOne
    XMinusOne
    July 20, 2014 at 9:31 am | #

    I see London,
    I see France,
    I see Walky’s,
    Boxer shorts.

    No … Wait a minute …

  34. RobChapman91
    RobChapman91
    July 20, 2014 at 3:08 pm | #

    Walky, you don’t know the half of it. XD

  35. Eukie
    Eukie
    July 20, 2014 at 3:16 pm | #

    Heh. Billie is back in yellow and blue, while Ruth is wearing black and green; I find it amusing that for this confrontation, they’re back in the same colour scheme as when they first met.

    For that matter, they’re back in their Roomies! colour schemes.

  36. Charles Phipps
    Charles Phipps
    July 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm | #

    Sadly, I don’t support the Ruth/Billie ship because while there’s some interesting things going on there–it’s kind of depressing. I’d like to see Ruth with someone who isn’t a bundle of issues and the same for Billie. Maybe Ruth/Carla or Ruth/Malaya (oddly enough) because R/B have SIMILAR issues and they kind of feed each other’s worst side. In RL, I’d tell them to get the hell away from each other. The codependency isn’t the kind of thing which I think works.

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